Educational games and/or Games that are educational

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I'm in a class ("Games, Simulations and Virtual Environments" in the Educational Technology program at ASU) that is asking us to look analyze, from various aspects, an educational game. I asked the professor if it had to be an "educational game" (Reader Rabbit, for example) or if it could just be a "game that is educational" (like SimCity). She said either direction would be fine.

I have some titles in mind, but I figured I'd ask you all for recommendations before I make my decision. What should I play and analyze?

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Bookworm Adventures

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What about a military simulator like Falcon 4.0?

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Jumpstart. Any of them. It's been a while since my son played Jumpstart World, but it's very good, as are the rest of the JumpStart titles, like Jumpstart Explorers, Jumpstart Kindergarten, JumpStart First Grade, etc.

Crayon Physics, The Incredible Machine, Brain Age.

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Bridge Builder is a good one. Supposedly there's a version of Full Spectrum Warrior out there that's been modded to be used as a military training tool.

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Supposedly there's a version of Full Spectrum Warrior out there that's been modded to be used as a military training tool.

FSW the game was developed from a military training tool, not the other way around.

But anyway, there is only one game that needs to be mentioned:

Oregon Trail

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Cosmology of Kyoto. Probably the best edutainment game I've come across.

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OH! Oregon Trail reminded me of Lemonade Stand, and ancient Apple][+ game that teaches about as much as running a real lemonade stand.

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I've always thought of Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego as the ultimate educational game. Not sure if newer ones keep the tradition but the original games were fantastic. It's a great mix of gameplay and education.

The Incredible Machine is an interesting choice, too. It's not strictly educational but it does teach you about various forces of physics as you play.

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Crackdown! It teaches you that it would be totally awesome if you were the Hulk with a rocket launcher!

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Great thoughts so far! Right now, my top choices are Bookworm Adventures (because I already own it ) and Crazy Machines 2 (because the mention of The Incredible Machine brought a heavy wavy of nostalgia). Carmen Sandiego would be a great blast-from-the-past, too. As you can tell, I'm trying to make sure this is fun for me, too

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How about trivia games like Buzz?

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Are you mostly looking for entertainment titles, or are you looking for stuff designated as educational? There are several companies that specialize in "educational" titles, although the quality is mixed. That is, sometimes they're not very fun. Remember those old typing tutor "games" out there? That said, I still have a soft spot for Typing of the Dead.

If you're looking for entertainment stuff there's always Civilization in all its incarnations, but especially Civ 3 which has been used in the classroom (and written about extensively). In fact, there are plenty of historically-themed games out there, such as the Total War series or even the Age of Empires titles. They take some liberties, but if nothing else they drum up interest about real events.

There are also self-improvement games, like Brain Age. Ubisoft and EA are even getting in on the self-improvement market, with all sorts of game-like titles that are designed to teach languages, help people quit smoking, etc. It isn't clear if they're really games per se, but many of them utilize the DS platform.

As for kids stuff, check out any of the stuff from Lucas Learning, Humongous (before they folded), or the old Learning Company games. If you want to go really old school, there are titles like Rocky's Boots and Robot Odyssey.

Last but not least, check out http://www.seriousgames.org/index2.html and http://gamesforchange.org/play.

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Itsatrap wrote:
Are you mostly looking for entertainment titles, or are you looking for stuff designated as educational?

Yes.

I don't really follow "edutainment" so I'm looking for recommendations there, but I'm also looking for titles that are mainstream and educational -- SimCity, Civilization, Rollercoaster Tycoon, etc. come to mind.

BTW, I personally think that there is educational value to a wide variety of games, but my professor is looking for titles that are more obviously educational. For more on my thoughts on the topic, you can check out my blog posts from my last semester's class, "Video Games, Learning & Literacy."

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I'll second The Incredible Machine and also throw in the original Lemmings. Great problem solving games. Never played Typing of the Dead but I heard it was pretty fundutational.

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As you can tell, I'm trying to make sure this is fun for me, too

Find the online Apple ][ emulator and load up Lemonade Stand followed quickly by Oregon Trail.

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duckilama wrote:
Find the online Apple ][ emulator and load up Lemonade Stand followed quickly by Oregon Trail.

http://www.virtualapple.org (requires Windows, ironically)

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Actually, it might be really interesting to look at the evolution of Oregon Trail over the years, all the way from the early versions in the 1970s to the most recent incarnations on Facebook, etc. Hmmm...

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The Fool's Errand - http://www.fools-errand.com/ (It's free. The creator's website has the Mac version which you need to play with an emulator but it's also possible to find the DOS version which is in color and I personally prefer.)

A puzzle game, not directly educational, but it's a personal favorite. There's a little bit of coincidental educational value in the puzzles and story but mostly it's just pure puzzles. I played it a lot as a child and I think it had a formative effect on my intellectual capabilities. I think puzzles teach you intuitively how to learn and approach problems. Heh, kind of like in Lawnmower Man but you don't get crazy super powers.

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Doesn't the procedural rhetoric of all games, in a way, teach the player something?

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Games that only teach the player to play the game aren't worth jack education wise, in my opinion. The most overrated example of which I think is Chess. A good game and mentally stimulating but not exactly the universal metaphor for human life that some people make it out to be.

PS - I guess I'm kind of contradicting myself here since I suggested a puzzle game earlier. Oh well.

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Cosmology of Kyoto. Probably the best edutainment game I've come across.

Seconded. Good luck finding it though, it used to be on The Underdogs, but is not anymore. I can upload an image somewhere, just PM me.

I add: Democracy 2. After approximately 20 patches the game is a really good simulation of political decision-making. Moreover, it immediately shows how your decisions (e.g. increasing drinking age) will affect other issues (e.g. binge drinking, alcoholism, unemployment etc.). Plus, its price recently dropped. Try a demo to see how it suits your needs.

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Jimmy the Self made Man, if you can find a C64 emulator.

Sierra brand role playing games (Space Quest 2 teaches us that if you don't collect glowing rocks from the bottom of a swamp, you will get eaten by cave monsters.)

Rabbit Algebra.

Those Carmen Sandiego games.

Little Big Planet seems to have some interesting applications in the educational field.

And I wholeheartedly second calls for The Incredible Machine. Add any decent bridge builder to that list too.

I disagree with the assessment that Chess has nothing to teach other than how to play the game. It encourages the player to think ahead several moves, to weigh risk against reward, and to not choke on small, pointy things.

Monopoly-- when played by the original rules.

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I add: Democracy 2. After approximately 20 patches the game is a really good simulation of political decision-making. Moreover, it immediately shows how your decisions (e.g. increasing drinking age) will affect other issues (e.g. binge drinking, alcoholism, unemployment etc.). Plus, its price recently dropped. Try a demo to see how it suits your needs.

How educational that one is depends on whether it reflects the real world, or the real world as the developers want it to be. Political bias one way or the other can wreck it unless you're just looking for an indoctrination tool.

But in theory I'd agree with you.

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Democracy 2.

How educational that one is depends on whether it reflects the real world, or the real world as the developers want it to be. Political bias one way or the other can wreck it unless you're just looking for an indoctrination tool.

But in theory I'd agree with you.

You are of course right. I personally consider it quite balanced - not really leaning left nor right too extremely, in a sense of providing bonuses for being too leftist/rightist. Every decision has both good and bad consequences, so there is no easy win, nor nudging towards a certain mindset.

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Better question: Which is a better explicitly educational series, Reader Rabbit or Leisure Suit Larry?

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I accidentally found the 5th Edition Oregon Trail (updated for XP) at Target today. I couldn't resist.
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Mindrover. Fantastic game that teaches programming and logic and engineering principles. Decent graphics and there's a version for XP.

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