Women and Psychics
Okay. Now into truly contraversial territory....
I wandered onto the Washington Post site earlier and the online edition linked to an online survey regarding the efficacy of psychics. I am aware of the pitfalls in voluntary surveys and that sort of stuff, but it made me wonder if the phenomenon it was indicating was a real one or not. That being that women are far more likely to believe in the efficacy of psychics than men are.
Now, I make it no secret that my opinion of psychics is pretty low. I put them right about at the same level as clergymen, cockroaches, and charlatans (though I think I'm being unfair to cockroaches). It would really disturb me if there was a statistically significant difference between men and women when it came to that sort of irrationality.
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I just have to say that this topic would be much better if it was about how I originally read your post:
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This comes from the popular (as in "everyone knows" popular) notion that women are driven by intuitive insight, rather than the cold logic which men access.
It also has roots in 19th Century thinking (with much the same reasons). Women, being intimately connected with the forces of creation and the otherworldly, were thought of as being more sensitive to precognition and spirituality. Or maybe more susceptible?
We went over this, blind test style, in my Gothic Literature class at Uni. Results were pretty much uniform across sexes: Women were believed to be better mediums, men were believed to be skeptics, both sexes had about the same belief in the otherworldly when asked directly.
It's a bunk idea, in other words./
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Could you link to the Post article?
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kaostheory wrote:
certainly.
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Gallup polls on belief in the paranormal occasionally:
The poll shows no statistically significant differences among people by age, gender, education, race, and region of the country. Christians are a little more likely to hold some paranormal beliefs than non-Christians (75% vs. 66%, respectively), but both groups show a sizeable majority with such beliefs.
These kinds of survey results make me a sad panda.
I'm gonna go see what James Randi is up to.
I would cast doubt on the gathering or presentation of the data.
Saying women beleive in a specific superstition that is packaged and sold in an almost solely female environment (read: grocery checkout lane magazines and daytime television) more than men is like saying more men believe wearing a special pair of socks causes the cubs to actually win a series this century.
duh.
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This is in P&C already so I'll ask this bluntly... shouldn't that number be close to 100% for that demographic by definition?
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I guess 75% of Christians don't *really* believe in the resurrection.
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I had a relationship a couple years ago such that things were going fantastic until she spoke w/ a psychic. Needless to say, it ended quickly after than when the so called "psychic" told her that I was in fact not the guy in her dreams
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My math makes it more like 25%, which is odd seeing how a resurrection falls squarely under 'paranormal' in my book, not to mention the guy kinda central to that belief structure that knows what everyone thinks.
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I live in a very red part of California so it's going to be interesting to see how people around here react to Religulous.
official Church Sanctioned paranormal activities have, since Nicea, been redefined normal inasmuch as they can be described either by the Bible, the Apocrypha, or several witnesses. In the third case, the paranormal event must in some way glorify or reinforce the activies found in the aforemention texts to acheive normal status.
So, if Father Patrick sees an alien, but the alien is saving a truckload of orphans, and Father Ricardo and three nuns back up his tale -- that's not paranormal. It's God's Work.
If you see the same thing, you're just effing crazy.
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Oops. I suck at math today.
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Yeah, I read this as "women and physics" too and was hoping this would be about mammaquatia. You owe me a boob thread, Paleocon.
But back on subject... I hate so-called "psychics." What some would consider a "sixth sense" is possible, from detection of electromagnetic fields or something of the sort, I don't know. Thing is, that's not what self-proclaimed psychics are "about." They're about stating vague guesses with conviction, then fluttering their eyes and looking skyward when they're wrong. They're about false hope. Anyone who pays them for their services is buying an act, not advice.
This is why I absolutely HATE that Court TV (sorry, "Tru TV") has a show on psychic "detectives." They always advertise the show as supernatural investigators cracking cases "wide open." Then the show is always pure theater. People acting dramatic, dramatic music, dramatic lighting, and the occasional vague detail that matches up to what is already known. They never crack a case. They never even HELP a case. If they did, there'd be some redemption for what they do. If they actually helped someone. I've yet to see it happen. Their "psychic impulses" never pan out and never yield new hard evidence.
If there really is any truth to psychic phenomena, these people do it - as well as the people they claim to be "helping" - a huge disservice.
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I'd be interested to see if there's a real gender difference in this as well, since I've met just as many men willing to believe in psychics and ESP as women. In fact, I remember a particularly ridiculous argument I had with my father, a physicist by training, who argued that Pluto's position was the real cause behind the Afghanistan War. People believe stupid things regardless of gender.
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I laughed out loud at the title of this thread, because I knew exactly what it would be.
I may be wrong, but my anecdotal evidence certainly suggests that women are more into psychics (and pseudo-medicine, etc.) than men. A lot of it is, I think, that we shame men for doing that stuff. Not necessarily because it's irrational, (I would be fine with shaming people for that,) but because it's a tacit admission that you can't handle normal life. Women get no such shaming, and are free to stuff themselves with homeopathic nonsense at the rate that men might want to, but can't. Same reason more women openly diet than men. Men don't want to admit that they're concerned with it.
There's also the fact that we don't, culturally, get girls to focus on critical thinking and a scientific, mechanical understanding of the world. Some of it is that boys are intrinsically more interested in the physicality of things, they're more likely to take stuff apart and look at how it goes together. It's not surprising that that gender is a bit quicker to shun things that are counter to that mechanical understanding of the universe.
There's also the other intrinsic differences between men and women. I would be willing to bet money, (like, 25 cents or so,) that the placebo effect works more powerfully for women than for men. I'm not totally sure why I think that, but I really would expect that that would be the case. I think their mindset has a greater power over their biology (and vice versa!) than in men.
All of that, and more, could explain it. If, in fact, it is true at all.
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I don't think it's very valuable to argue about which demographic has a higher propensity to believe this crap. The energy is better spent getting people to not believe this crap.
My psychic predicted you would say that, heathen!
I'm curious how it works on the large scale, and in the rest of the country. This area is chock-full of a melting-pot of all sorts of philosophies from harcore bible-thumping up to the most etherial thought.
I just walked to the coffee stand nearest my work, and on the way I pass the local "new age" bookstore/coffee house. The kind of place that has cedar and several other sorts of branches on the outside tables if you wish to smudge away any negative influences while enjoying your coffee. The place was fairly packed due to some sort of speaker. A quick count from the door gave a fairly even spread with some margin of error due to indeterminate gender.
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I remember reading recently of some data that implied that belief in supernatural was directly linked to the amount of some chemical compounds in our brain. I think it was in "Economist" but I cant find the article anymore. The idea was that - the higher the concentration, the more likely person is to believe in stuff that has no hard evidence to back it up.
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The actual predictive power of psychics is, of course, zero or so close to zero as not to matter. Otherwise, they'd all be wealthy and powerful, no?
But there is some value in, say, a Tarot reading. Not because it's actually going to tell you anything about the future, but because it can reframe your thinking about the present. We're good at fooling ourselves, and the ceremony of "a reading" may allow "the psychic" to tell someone who's being a dumbsh*t that they're being a dumbsh*t without them taking offense. Or it can let them realize that themselves, without prompting, simply by having their current situation 'explained' differently. Framing, as we've learned from the Republicans, matters.
So, there may be a benefit there, it's just not what they think it is. I remember how blurry my cause and effect thinking was when I was young. Things can work without you understanding why they work. "She can tell the future!" is much easier to accept than "I'm a moron and he's giving me obvious advice."
Plus, women are very into talking about problems: we men like to fix things, they just like to talk. Strikes me that readings, in their various flavors, are good excuses to do that.
I think that whatever supposed benefits you can drudge up from such foolishness is vastly outweighed by the negative effects associated with it.
Also, I doubt that someone who would actually go to a card reader thinks about things critically.
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I'm with you. Psychics and faith healers are possibly the worst excuses for human beings ever.
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A former co-worker and close friend of mine is a Hoodoo priestess. She has an online shop where she sells herbs, potions, candles, etc and she also makes some extra money taking calls for what is essentially a psychic hotline. Though she refers to herself as a spiritual advisor. It's always interesting talking to her. She doesn't claim to be psychic or have any magical powers. People will come to her for spiritual cleansings and she goes through all these rituals and whatnot. For her, she feels that the only power in the whole thing is what people believe. That by putting your thoughts and desires into a ritual-style format it basically helps to bolster your resolve and increase your self-confidence for a particular outcome you're looking for. Basically it's all in your head.
Oh, and as for the psychic hotline stuff? Naturally she says almost every call is "Is so-and-so cheating on me?" She gets so sick of that and all she ends up doing is asking them stuff like "Do YOU think they're cheating?" or "What makes you think they're cheating?" and at the end of the call everyone feels better and they talk about what an insightful person she is. Really bizarre.
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If by "intrinsically" you mean there is something non-environmental like a genetic predisposition, what is your evidence for that assertion?
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You should see what 15% of them believe.
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