WoW: PvP and Me
So, right now I think that the PvP in WoW is kind of ass. I've not played WoW all that long (since March, and I hardly played after AoC came out until about two weeks ago) and until just the other day I thought that most if not all of the PvP is based on Alliance VS Horde out in the wild. It seemed fun but a little unbalanced from the contested area's I'd been to.
Then I just recently learned about the battlegrounds because of the whole Spirit of Competition bs that's going around because of the Olympics. And you know what, I thought it was possibly the worst experience of an online game I've ever had.
Let me lay out what I know: you sign up for the type of PvP "minigame" you want to participate in, you wait in a queue, then you get lumped in with 9 other sacks with no attention paid to balance and structure and then told "good luck, you'll neeed it!"
Now, I didn't create this thread just to complain, I want to make the best of what the game offers. I'm just putting those kind souls who are going to help me out here into my frame of mind. Also note that I'm currently in the mid-20's but I've messed around with the late teens, and early thirties as well.
Also, at no point in time do I want the recommendation to just make a twink, as that seems to be the consensus of general chat for what to do if I don't like PvP.
So, my question is mainly, what is fun about PvP in WoW? Am I looking in the wrong areas, do I need build up PvP groups to go in with? I really don't want to wait to hit the level cap before PvP starts becoming a viably fun option (I mean, you spend HUNDREDS of hours to hit the level cap, you shouldn't be expected to start learning PvP after all that).
Basically what am I missing? Did blizzard even take PvP into account when creating this game? The BG stuff is broken up between lvl X0 - X9, but did they really think that a really amazing level 30 character even stood a chance against a poor lvl 39? Why isn't the lvl range closer togethere? So help me out here. I'd really like to get some PvP going on, but want to do it in an enjoyable setting. Should I just give up the ghost and not expect there to be good PvP in WoW?
level to 70.
barring that, level to 29 and spend two or three thousand gold on twinking your toon.
I see this problem a lot. You want the game to be something it blatantly isn't. You want it to be a level playing field for the sub 70 brackets without making a twink. That'll happen a few days after Blizzard gives rogues a restoration talent spec.
As to your other questions: Yes, Battlegrounds are "tacked on," but they were tacked on years ago and are relatively balanced. No, a level 30 shouldn't ever have a chance against a lvl 39, especially since the sub 70 brackets exist almost solely for twinks and for twink fodder.
My reccomendation: Enjoy the leveling aspect of the game. When you get to 70, buy 5/5 opportunist gear and fire up a BG.
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Ok, my opinion is thus:
YES you can have fun in battlegrounds prior to 70. BUT I have found that to do that does take a little bit of gold.
I'm not talking about what Seth said about spending 1 or 2 thousand gold, you can get in much better shape for the cost of some green gear with as much stamina (and agility, i think in your case) as you can afford. For every 1 point of stamina, you gain about 10 hit points. This helps in bg's more than anything, IMHO.
EXPECT to die. Period. Unless you are a resto build, you will die alot. Just take pride in taking down one or two before you go down. But as a rogue, you are my most feared class in a bg.
STICK with a group, chances are there are twinks with fancy glowing weapons that make better targets than you do.
DO what you can to help. Make it your job to sap a dangerous foe so others don't have to worry about him killing your healer for a few seconds. Stealth over to their healer in the attacking or defending force, and nuke that clothie.
I really have fun with my low level guys in bg's, but honestly it is very tough to compete at all unless you are in the top levels of the bracket. Send me a tell and I'll throw some enchants on your gear or something.
(Ariesmajor)
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Agreed, the game really doesn't start until 70 for the most part anyway, everything else is just filler. There's a reason people race to 70 so quickly.
But even at end game, the direction they are taking/took with WoW PvP and Arena/E-Sports is not my cup of tea, I pine for old school WoW. The fact that everyone's still running the same couple of Battlegrounds after this many years makes me want to bang my head on the table to alleviate the pain. V-A-R-I-E-T-Y!
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I don't see how the game "blatantly isn't" a game where you should be able to have fun participating in some PvP. Your comments also contradict each other by saying both that it's relatively balance only with the caveat that you need to be a twink to have it balanced. I don't see how that's relatively balanced. Relatively balanced would be if they only allowed levels x8 and x9 into battle grounds, then at least people would have a chance.
These aren't my only problems though. Most of my experience with BG is that no one communicates with ANYONE. People seem to have no idea what they're doing in the game, at the start there's ten people in a room and no one is buffing anyone. I asked for buffs and they all said "why, you die too much". Then, during the "battle" no one communicates with anyone else. When I try to set up some sort of plan and try to communicate I get called a whiny Certis is awesome. What the hell? When I'm saying stuff like "there's two rogues heading for the flag we need people back at the base" how does that make me a whiny Certis is awesome?
A lot of these comments are actually confirming my fears that this game doesn't really have good PvP. Perhaps WotLK will change that? Anyone hear anything about PvP improvement/changes with the expansion?
|WAR| Skinkfist (Volkmar server) | Valtiel (Iron Rock server)
I *love* that filter.
Actually, this won't go away unless you join pre made teams. Just the nature of the WoW community, I guess. It's not a huge deal in AV where everyone (should) know what to do, but in AB I can tell you about 10% of pug games have decent communication. And I'm being liberal there.
Yeah there was some contradiction there. Let me elaborate:
Pre level 70 battlegrounds are balanced around assuming you're level "x9" and have great gear.
Level 70 battlegrounds are fairly balanced, but even then if you think a fresh lvl 70 wearing greens and quest blues is anything more than a speedbump to a toon in 5/5 season 4, you're crazy. You're talking, conservatively, double the spelldamage, stamina, and armor. So it's stilla bit of a crapshoot. BUT the difference between a level 70 lite and a 400 resil 70 is still less than the difference between a level "x3" and "x9."
Does that make sense?
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Pre-70 BGs are full of twinks. The only people who play in the sub-70s BGs, really, are twinks. Because of that, if you roll into the 20-29 tier BGs at level 25, you're going to get rocked by a level 29 with ludicrous gear.
In order to get the most fun out of them, you should also be a twink.
The most fun I've had in BGs is with my level 59. I didn't put a whole lot of money into him, but it's all about having the right gear.
Every fight in WoW is about the gear, be it PVE or PVP, it all comes down to how good your gear is. If you're going to pvp, you want to be certain to have the best gear you can and that gear is better than the other guy's. It's silly and a kind of stupid game-mechanic, but it makes the game addictive.
If you don't enjoy PVP, though. Don't do it. There's lots of other stuff to do.
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As others are telling you: if you want to PVP at your level, you will be competing with other people who see you as easy meat. They have spent hundreds or thousands of gold outfitting their characters so that they can rip you to hamburger and giggle.
Whether or not you like this, that's how it is. If you want to PVP and have a fair chance, you'll either have to level or twink.
The L59 BGs are pretty good, btw, if you don't want to wait for the full 70 levels. The 29 bgs are the worst.
I don't know, lvl 19 is probably my worst experience in the BGs yet.
|WAR| Skinkfist (Volkmar server) | Valtiel (Iron Rock server)
Honestly playing the BG's before 70 and getting the points needed for gear when you do reach 70 is a lot of fun for me.
I prefered the 30-39 range, but now it's 20-29 because i like playing without the mounts. It is a contest though when fighting against someone at level cap and you're at the very bottom. You can still win out if you have more skill than them, but some classes will dominate until you reach cap. It's just a matter of learning the ropes.
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Why does adding mounts to the equation make a difference?
|WAR| Skinkfist (Volkmar server) | Valtiel (Iron Rock server)
just changes the pace of the game. Mounts make it easier to react to things in AB, make it easier to guard the flag carrier in WSG, etc.
similarly, a lot of people like the 40-49 bracket because it denies the classes the use of their last tier talent point (available at 50).
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I prefer 59 because the great Outlands gear that is available. It makes it cheaper -if longer in levelling time- to become important.
With the twink I linked above myself and two friends from work can completely dominate a WSG or AB. We will sometimes go in two hunters and a Paladin healer or sometimes 3 hunters and it is a blast.
The three of us have taken on 10-12 of the other team and killed them all.
I think it's cases like that that make twinking so viable.
We haven't played in a while, I think I'll do some of that tonight, actually.
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Oh it's a personal thing. I play a shaman so the ghost wolf form is king when there's no mounts.
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