The many failed Bush Doctrines
Monday, August 18th, 2008 - 3:37pm
Interesting article about the evolution of Dubya's failed doctrine(s).
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This makes me wonder if every presidental candidate shouldn't have to pass a personality test. I'd hate to think that the last eight years were all because ole' Georgie had some unresolved daddy issues.
I just thought Bush Jr adhered to the "Keep It Simple Stupid" Doctrine. Re-evaluating a situation involves thought... and complexity, something to be avoided at all costs.
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Reading that actually leads me to the conclusion that Bush 41 got a raw deal.
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Apart from being a continuation of the negative elements of the Reagan presidency, I never had any problems with 41. He handled the first gulf war like a pro, declaring what he was going to do, doing it, then getting the hell out without overstepping the authority he received. It was, perhaps, the most admirable things I had ever seen in the midst of all that mess.
I feel so sorry for 41 now that 43 has ruined his legacy with the exact opposite kind of behavior.
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41 was the man who declared that the Constitution no longer applied in drug cases, which meant that you didn't have rights anymore if you were black.
The son took that idea and ran with it -- now you don't have rights, period. Well, you have them as long as the government likes you and thinks you're an upstanding citizen -- when you don't need them.
Don't worry. I'm sure Jeb will set things straight when he gets his shot at the Presidency.
While I also disagree with the WoD, that is one hell of a cognitive leap to make.
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The War on Drugs is the War on Blacks.
Wow.
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Strikes me more as the "War on the Poor". How many upper or even middle class people end up losing their livelihood when they're convicted (if they're even conficted) of drug charges versus the lower class?
Though that's true of most crimes, not just drug crimes.
I think that may be the most racist statement I have ever read on these forums.
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Far is right, its a class war not a race war.
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It's been a while, but I believe the stats play out that poor blacks are amazingly overrepresented in the prison population. If it were a true class war phenomenon, we'd expect them to be imprisoned at roughly the same proportion as their demographics would indicate.
See also the difference in penalties in 'black drugs' like crack vs. 'future President of the United States' drugs like cocaine.
Good to know that no poor hispanics, asians, white people, or native americans ever have a drug problem!
War on drugs = war on poverty, unless you want to argue that only black people do drugs.
I'm inclined to agree that the War on Drugs is a war on the poor. A kid in the projects can get caught with an 8 ball of heroin and end up doing a 5 year stretch, but a celebrity with 30-pill-per-day Oxy habit won't even get a perp walk.
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I think we're going off the subject here. Even is WoD is War on Blacks, it isn't Bush who invented that doctrine.
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So here's a guy whose policy was essentially based on, "Now who's stupid!?" and we re-elected him?
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I'm gonna back Malor on this one.
While Nixon started the 'war on drugs' it was Regan that made it into what it is now. When Regan put the spotlight back onto drugs during early/mid 80s there was really only one he focused on: crack. And, at that time, there was really only one community that crack affected: inner-city blacks. It was commonly understood that crack was a "black" drug then and while the demographics of crack users has shifted to white and Hispanics, is still considered so. If you doubt it, ask someone who was at least a teenager back them what race a "crack baby" was most likely to be. I'd bet good money they wouldn't say white or Asia or Hispanic or even poor.
Regan codified this racial bias with the drug sentencing laws he passed that made sure anyone arrested with crack faced a much longer jail term (you'd get the same sentence for possessing half a key of cocaine that you would for 5 grams of crack).
Besides, let's not forget that Ronnie coined another term that has a well understood--and entirely negative--racial meaning: welfare queen.
Correlation is not causality. Some drugs (like crack) are concentrated in the poor communities and many poor communities, particularly in the cities, are largely African American. You can say our institutions are designed to some degree to maintain the status quo and make it harder for African Americans to get out of the ghettos, or even that crack has been targeted because it's the drug of choice for poor blacks, but I still don't think it's a "black drug."
So if crack is such a problem in poor communities and poor communities are largely black and you go after crack, then of course you're going to end up arresting a disproportionate number of black people. Would it be more fair, or more "just" if the police were more lenient on crack in order to balance the figures out a little more? Poor black (and hispanic) communities also have more problems with gang violence than affluent white communities. Does that mean going after gangs is racist?
I'm against the War on Drugs in its entirety. Now, I'm willing to accept that the emphasis on crack has caused the program to disproportionately target blacks. I'll even allow that it's possible this was done intentionally in order to target blacks. It just seems to me that the only way to fix that is to actively arrest fewer black drug addicts/dealers. I'd like to think that we don't bend (or break) the law in America in the name of racial sensitivity.
That's kind of a misleading question. Of course no one is going to answer "poor" when you're asking for a race.
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Well put, Lobster.
Are we just ignoring Meth because white people use it? Crack is wack, but it's not like its the only drug that get people convicted for possession.
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Wait, Buzzvang agrees with me? Maybe I need to rethink my position.
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Interesting article. When you have six or seven different foreign policy "doctrines" in a seven year span, you know something is wrong...
Now that you put it that way, Dubya sounds like the Dan Snyder of presidents. Why NOT put in 6 different head coaches in 5 years and expect to win the Superbowl?
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Wow, Malor. Just wow. First Nos gets banned from this forum, now this.
I usually just lurk here from time to time, but now is a perfect time for me to post. Heck, I'll probably get banned on my first post, but WTH.
I have really enjoyed the informative threads on the economy, but lately this place strikes me as the bash Bush command center. Every thread about politics is like this. Nos was one of the few here I agreed with more than not. He debated with common sense and facts, not some preconcieved slant or agenda. It was nice seeing a counterpoint to all the lefty rhetoric being flow about.
First he gets booted. Now Malor, who I highly respected for his views on the economy goes out and floats a huge racist line that doesn't even make sense. I just lose a lot of respect for you after that one.
If we're talking about the same Nos here, Nosferatu has not, to my knowledge been banned, and since his tag is still "Got Blood?" not "fired" it would appear that he is not banned (just MIA)
And yes, Malor probably stepped over a line (everyone does from time to time), and yes we do tend to do a lot of Bush bashing around these parts, but we're just agreeing with 80% of the rest of Americans and 95% of the rest of the world.
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Nah, he just can't post in P&C anymore. I think it was in the abortion thread.
The words you're looking for are "Habitual Line Stepper." But it's ok. It's part of his charm.
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What I said wasn't racist. What I said was accurate. The War on Drugs is the War on Blacks.
Look who's in jail.
About one third of the entire black male population will spend time in prison. I submit that if we're jailing a third of an entire population, the population isn't the problem.
Bush Senior destroyed the Constitution by saying that it didn't apply for drug offenses; that even if a search was illegal, if they found drugs, you could be prosecuted for it. At that moment, civil rights for blacks were severely eroded, because they're the ones being searched illegally.
Again: look who's in jail.